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March 8th, 2003

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10:31 am - EW Mods -- Post Eleven -- Tolkein and Middle-Earth in Wyvern's.
Several support emails have come in asking if it's alright to use settings from Middle-earth, as well as what the appropiate use of Elvish would be for Wyvern's Librabry.

This was discussed among the moderators, and references to Middle-earth are not allowed. Elves, dwarfs and wizards are not terms copyrighted/trademarked to Tolkein, these are allowed, but terms like "hobbit" and "pipe-weed" are, and these are not allowed. Neither is mentioning places like Rivendell or Lothlorien.

Furthermore, Tolkein's languages are not considered official real life languages, rather they are fiction, and thus, the use of these is not allowed in Wyvern's Library. Tolkein's children do hold copyright over his works, and that includes the languages. To use them in your story counts as fan fiction, and that is not allowed in Elfwood.

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Date:March 27th, 2003 07:05 am (UTC)

Interesting trivia...

Actually, alot of the terms used in Tolkien's books are taken from other mythologies. Especially Norse mythology.

For instance, Middle-Earth would be a direct translation of Midsgard (if memory serves me right, it's been awhile). Gandalf translates to Elf Magician... (listed as a drawvent/elven name in Norse mythologies), etc.

So I guess quite a few of the 'copyrights' could be challenged on this...
Date:September 14th, 2005 07:41 pm (UTC)

Re: Interesting trivia...

I don't think the copy rights could be challenged, as i doubt anybody has copyrighted norse mythology. Atleast i don't think they have it would be quite hard.
Date:April 1st, 2003 04:46 pm (UTC)

Other forms of elvish...

I have a shelf at Wyvern's Library, and many of my elven characters occasionally do use elvish words. It does add color and a sense of culture, but I limit it to very, very few, and only when the current plot demands it. It's frustrating to have to go searching for an elvish translator when you can't read something.

The elvish language offered by the Grey Company is a dictionary of terms and a guide for conjugation, loosely based on Tolkien. It was developed for an Ultima RPG game - or so I surmise, from the surfing I have done through the site. It is widely available, many people use it, and they mention that the dictionary may be redistributed as long as due credit is given.

This is the version of 'elvish' that I use.

And so my question is in two parts:

1) Is the use of the Grey Company's elvish considered a violation of Tolkien copyrights?

2) If due credit is supplied (either on the front page of my library, or on the summary of each chapter) is it permissible to use this vocabulary?

Thank you for your time,
Jennifer 'Scylla' Koch (http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/libr/s/c/scyllahealer)
Date:April 1st, 2003 04:50 pm (UTC)

Re: Other forms of elvish...

I lacked the mental capacity to include the Grey Company's link, for anyone curious enough to see for themselves, that hasn't heard of it. You can find them Here (http://www.grey-company.org/Language/).

Jennifer 'Scylla' Koch
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Date:September 9th, 2003 01:51 am (UTC)
First! I am not trying to start a fight. :) That said, I would like to question why Elfwood itself uses the term "Lothlorien" if it's artists and writers can't. :)
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Date:December 2nd, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's a GOOD question..

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